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	<title>Comments on: Go away Ruby</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Orr</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-2891</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crap I just realised how old this post is - I&#039;m not sure how I even got here - you can delete that post if you want :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crap I just realised how old this post is &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure how I even got here &#8211; you can delete that post if you want <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Orr</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that what writing tests are for?

I just finished a cunk of work that has these 12 features.
Upon user feedback 70% hat features 2,3 &amp; want features 1,6 &amp; 9 to work like this.
That works out nicely the people are what make this app, lets do it.

Code, code, code, run tests, oh shit a regression, code, code, code, test, test, test.

Nice we&#039;ve done all the updates and it all works because we wrote tests and the tests cover most stuff that we can think. Lets release.
Oh crap it broke on this edge case. Write some tests, code, test, release...

How does the fact that ruby is dynamically typed have anything to do with anything?
The tools are there, if you don&#039;t want to use them then there are risks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that what writing tests are for?</p>
<p>I just finished a cunk of work that has these 12 features.<br />
Upon user feedback 70% hat features 2,3 &amp; want features 1,6 &amp; 9 to work like this.<br />
That works out nicely the people are what make this app, lets do it.</p>
<p>Code, code, code, run tests, oh shit a regression, code, code, code, test, test, test.</p>
<p>Nice we&#8217;ve done all the updates and it all works because we wrote tests and the tests cover most stuff that we can think. Lets release.<br />
Oh crap it broke on this edge case. Write some tests, code, test, release&#8230;</p>
<p>How does the fact that ruby is dynamically typed have anything to do with anything?<br />
The tools are there, if you don&#8217;t want to use them then there are risks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy: &quot;Ruby isn’t typeless.&quot; Concerning references Ruby is typeless.

@Claus: &quot;The Ruby version was much smaller, easier to maintain and thanks to the 400 lines of C also faster.&quot;
I&#039;m really interested in maintenance numbers for large dynamic language projects. Do you have numbers for
how much they did save compared to Java after 5 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy: &#8220;Ruby isn’t typeless.&#8221; Concerning references Ruby is typeless.</p>
<p>@Claus: &#8220;The Ruby version was much smaller, easier to maintain and thanks to the 400 lines of C also faster.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m really interested in maintenance numbers for large dynamic language projects. Do you have numbers for<br />
how much they did save compared to Java after 5 years?</p>
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		<title>By: JRuby and ActiveHibernate &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>JRuby and ActiveHibernate &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by billburke on December 13, 2007  No, I&#8217;m not changing my mind about Ruby just yet, I&#8217;m just building up debate ammo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Toomas Römer</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Toomas Römer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JEE development in the sense of turnaround it getting closer and closer to scripting languages. There is a commercial product JavaRebel that instantly reloads changes made to classes. So you can add/remove/change fields, methods,classes etc. and just hit reload in the browser or whatever outlet you are using. More information at http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JEE development in the sense of turnaround it getting closer and closer to scripting languages. There is a commercial product JavaRebel that instantly reloads changes made to classes. So you can add/remove/change fields, methods,classes etc. and just hit reload in the browser or whatever outlet you are using. More information at <a href="http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Odi</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Odi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see a project team of 14 developers working on a 5000 classes project with nearly 400 Oracle tables in Ruby. We are doing this in J2EE (with JBoss) and we are very happy. I do semantic code browsing a lot, search for uses, type hierarchies, renaming during refactoring etc. And I tell you, you are not gonna do this in Ruby - never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see a project team of 14 developers working on a 5000 classes project with nearly 400 Oracle tables in Ruby. We are doing this in J2EE (with JBoss) and we are very happy. I do semantic code browsing a lot, search for uses, type hierarchies, renaming during refactoring etc. And I tell you, you are not gonna do this in Ruby &#8211; never.</p>
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		<title>By: Can&#8217;t I have an opinion? &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Can&#8217;t I have an opinion? &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Tale of Two Cities: Red Hat &#38; JBoss &#171; rand($thoughts);</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tale of Two Cities: Red Hat &#38; JBoss &#171; rand($thoughts);</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RoR is going to kill JBoss&#8230;Seriously?!?! If RoR is such a threat, why are other Java app server vendors &#8220;doing okay&#8220;? Is there something more here? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RoR is going to kill JBoss&#8230;Seriously?!?! If RoR is such a threat, why are other Java app server vendors &#8220;doing okay&#8220;? Is there something more here? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clueless, Unclear, or Both on Ruby? &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Clueless, Unclear, or Both on Ruby? &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go away&#160;Ruby [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blog slapped back with examples :-) : http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/code/2007/09/10/x-0336.html</description>
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