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	<title>Comments on: Go away Ruby</title>
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		<title>By: Stephan Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy: "Ruby isn’t typeless." Concerning references Ruby is typeless.

@Claus: "The Ruby version was much smaller, easier to maintain and thanks to the 400 lines of C also faster."
I'm really interested in maintenance numbers for large dynamic language projects. Do you have numbers for
how much they did save compared to Java after 5 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy: &#8220;Ruby isn’t typeless.&#8221; Concerning references Ruby is typeless.</p>
<p>@Claus: &#8220;The Ruby version was much smaller, easier to maintain and thanks to the 400 lines of C also faster.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m really interested in maintenance numbers for large dynamic language projects. Do you have numbers for<br />
how much they did save compared to Java after 5 years?</p>
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		<title>By: JRuby and ActiveHibernate &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>JRuby and ActiveHibernate &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by billburke on December 13, 2007  No, I&#8217;m not changing my mind about Ruby just yet, I&#8217;m just building up debate ammo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by billburke on December 13, 2007  No, I&#8217;m not changing my mind about Ruby just yet, I&#8217;m just building up debate ammo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Toomas Römer</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Toomas Römer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JEE development in the sense of turnaround it getting closer and closer to scripting languages. There is a commercial product JavaRebel that instantly reloads changes made to classes. So you can add/remove/change fields, methods,classes etc. and just hit reload in the browser or whatever outlet you are using. More information at http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JEE development in the sense of turnaround it getting closer and closer to scripting languages. There is a commercial product JavaRebel that instantly reloads changes made to classes. So you can add/remove/change fields, methods,classes etc. and just hit reload in the browser or whatever outlet you are using. More information at <a href="http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeroturnaround.com/javarebel/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Odi</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Odi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see a project team of 14 developers working on a 5000 classes project with nearly 400 Oracle tables in Ruby. We are doing this in J2EE (with JBoss) and we are very happy. I do semantic code browsing a lot, search for uses, type hierarchies, renaming during refactoring etc. And I tell you, you are not gonna do this in Ruby - never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see a project team of 14 developers working on a 5000 classes project with nearly 400 Oracle tables in Ruby. We are doing this in J2EE (with JBoss) and we are very happy. I do semantic code browsing a lot, search for uses, type hierarchies, renaming during refactoring etc. And I tell you, you are not gonna do this in Ruby - never.</p>
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		<title>By: Can&#8217;t I have an opinion? &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Can&#8217;t I have an opinion? &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go away&#160;Ruby [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Tale of Two Cities: Red Hat &#38; JBoss &#171; rand($thoughts);</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tale of Two Cities: Red Hat &#38; JBoss &#171; rand($thoughts);</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RoR is going to kill JBoss&#8230;Seriously?!?! If RoR is such a threat, why are other Java app server vendors &#8220;doing okay&#8220;? Is there something more here? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RoR is going to kill JBoss&#8230;Seriously?!?! If RoR is such a threat, why are other Java app server vendors &#8220;doing okay&#8220;? Is there something more here? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clueless, Unclear, or Both on Ruby? &#171; Angry Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Clueless, Unclear, or Both on Ruby? &#171; Angry Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go away&#160;Ruby [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blog slapped back with examples :-) : http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/code/2007/09/10/x-0336.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blog slapped back with examples <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> : <a href="http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/code/2007/09/10/x-0336.html" rel="nofollow">http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/code/2007/09/10/x-0336.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No...you just don't actually know what you're talking about.  You always argue with me and are batting a very poor average every time you do.  Then you get personal and when you get personal you immediately try below the belt, make an ass out of yourself then later realize I was absolutely right.  However, that's why you're bill burke and why EJB3 leaks memory :-)

-Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No&#8230;you just don&#8217;t actually know what you&#8217;re talking about.  You always argue with me and are batting a very poor average every time you do.  Then you get personal and when you get personal you immediately try below the belt, make an ass out of yourself then later realize I was absolutely right.  However, that&#8217;s why you&#8217;re bill burke and why EJB3 leaks memory <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Andy</p>
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		<title>By: billburke</title>
		<link>http://bill.burkecentral.com/2007/08/29/go-away-ruby/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>billburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ruby isn’t typeless it is dynamically typed as opposed to Java which is statically typed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Semantics Andy.  You get what i mean.  (I hate it when people do this BTW. Justifying their arguments with more correct vocabulary is just gay)

Scripting isn't bad.  &lt;i&gt;dynamically typed&lt;/i&gt; or typeless scripting is bad.  As I said, the closer we can get Java to zero-turnaround the better, but not at the expense of static typing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words if dynamic typing is bad then JBossAS is bad too because JBossAS basically creates dynamic typing in Java.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You sound so ridiculous sometimes Andy.  I remember why we didn't want you in dev(&lt;i&gt;Edited: I'm just poking here Andy, sorry for the insult&lt;/i&gt;).   java.lang.reflect.Proxy exists to provide a statcially typed interface over a generic construct.  Exactly the opposite of what you are saying.</description>
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<p>Semantics Andy.  You get what i mean.  (I hate it when people do this BTW. Justifying their arguments with more correct vocabulary is just gay)</p>
<p>Scripting isn&#8217;t bad.  <i>dynamically typed</i> or typeless scripting is bad.  As I said, the closer we can get Java to zero-turnaround the better, but not at the expense of static typing.</p>
<blockquote><p>In other words if dynamic typing is bad then JBossAS is bad too because JBossAS basically creates dynamic typing in Java.</p></blockquote>
<p>You sound so ridiculous sometimes Andy.  I remember why we didn&#8217;t want you in dev(<i>Edited: I&#8217;m just poking here Andy, sorry for the insult</i>).   java.lang.reflect.Proxy exists to provide a statcially typed interface over a generic construct.  Exactly the opposite of what you are saying.</p>
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